Manuel Fenton / 28 Apr 2012 15:16
thanks mick as i said before u will only get out off tipplers what u put in
to them hard work and long nights out ur back when every 1 is in bed . i
hate this time of the year because it dose not get dark till 10pm and u have
to train ur birds i am not geting to bed till after 2 or 3am and i have 12
hens and 7 cocks in training and my 1st round of y/ones will b starting soon
all work but i do love it . good luck manny
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From: M J Beat
Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012, 19:09
Subject: Re: [FT] Congrats to Manny.... When to call it...
Thanks, Manny, that's tremendous thoughts. Now that you relate the
experience, I seem to remember in the past when you had shared with us what
happened that disastrous night. Obvious is there is enough light for a
pigeon to fly then other birds can do it too although it is not in their
normal behavior to do so. Was speaking to Danny last night, he related some
really nice points about the visit he had with you some time back. He
admires your dedication to the sport of training tipplers, especially their
dark training.
Yours in the sport,
Michael J Beat
http://www.tipplers.com
@EFTipplers
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Manuel Fenton
wrote:
well Mick I have seen owls fly over my loft at night when my droppers have
been out but it never came near them . but my birds were hit in the dark by
a falcon i lost 2 hens that night it took 1 and I never seen the other hen
again i had 12 hens out I only got 2 hens back that night 1 at 2am and 1 at
4am the rest came back the next day ,last 1 came back at 6pm ,it must have
give them a right going over because there was birds with flights and half
their tails pulled out falcons do hunt in the dark if they don't get a kill
in day light .good luck Manny
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From: M J Beat
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 23:00
Subject: Re: [FT] Congrats to Manny.... When to call it...
Thanks for the reply, Manny. I have to admit, the point that the ref can't
necessarily see all of the birds at once during the night because of the
visual constraints is something I hadn't thought of much. I personally
might be able to identify each member of my kit myself. But obviously to a
visiting ref, that wouldn't be the case, would it? I see the point. That's
what makes the night flying so much more challenging. Seems as though a lot
has to be in one's favor to achieve a successful night flown time. Of
course, the one thing that I think is really in the favor, is the fact that
the BOP rarely is a problem at night. Has anyone experienced such a problem
at night?
I have heard some say an "owl" will take a bird at night, but I have to
disagree. Unless one actually saw it, I am not a believer. Owls do not
take prey in the air. Owls might hit the roof after the birds have landed,
but with the bright lights protecting the birds, the owl would be blinded
when he entered the lit up space. But if anyone has a real-life owl story,
I'd like to hear it.
Yours in the sport,
Michael J Beat
http://www.tipplers.com
@EFTipplers
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Manuel Fenton
wrote:
hi Mick when a bird splits in the day light as long as ur reff can see the
bird ok there is on hour rule on less the bird goes missing then u r on the
hour rule . in the dark if a bird splits u r on the hour rule because ur
reff could count the same bird twice and yes u can fly them split and if u
fly them for 30mins u have only 30mins to drop them and get them in to the
flight and door closed or u r disq. hope this helps . all the best Manny
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From: M J Beat
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 13:43
Subject: Re: [FT] Congrats to Manny.... When to call it...
Thanks Manny! I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Your
observations are very much what I thought would be the case, but I have
heard that birds after being split would get back together after they "find"
each other again. In fact, I have had that situation in training flys
myself. Of course, I'm not at all questioning the decision you made because
you hit the nail on the head when you said that you had already beaten the
record by a few minutes.
Just for conversation, I seem to remember that according to NTU rules that
if a bird splits after official dark, then the flyers can continue but he
does have a limited time to get them down. Am I remembering that right? If
that rule didn't exist and someone had NOT gone as far as you had, perhaps
they might try to wait a bit to see if the kit would re-join. Sort of like
what is done during the day. If the kit splits during the daylight hours,
then the flyer can decide to drop them or hope that they get back together
within an hour. That's the one rule that has always bewildered me. I never
could understand why the rule would be different during the "day" verses
during the 'night'. Perhaps I just don't understand the rule right. But I
completely understand under you circumstances last weekend that the dropping
of the kit after achieving the time and getting them all down once they've
split was a "no-brainer" decision, as we say.
Yours in the sport,
Michael J Beat
http://www.tipplers.com
@EFTipplers
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Manuel Fenton
wrote:
well Mick I do not look for anything in the kit . in both records 1 bird let
me know by splitting that's a sure sign they r coming to the end of there
fly y because they never split in training it is knowing when to take them
and not force the bird to lit away because they will if they r tired and u
don't drop them . that's y I did not fly them split too long to get 20hrs
she had enough she split at 1.13am 3 mins over the record so that was good
enough for me so turned lights on at 1,20am had all birds down and in with
20mins to spate , and the hen that split she was done the other 6 wanted to
fly on . all the best Mick Manny
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From: M J Beat
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 18:12
Subject: [FT] Congrats to Manny.... When to call it...
Manny,
It's wonderful to see such spectacular flying. 19 hours and 50 min is a
great time for April, all right! My hat's off to ya. Congratulations!
Of course, that makes me ask the question that I think most are desirous to
know.... What is it exactly that you see in a kit of birds while flying
at night, whether in competition or in exercise flys, that indicates to you
that the team should be dropped? Do they start to hover close to the loft?
or is there something you look for that tells you that it's time for the
lights & droppers? Anything you can share here would be simply wonderful.
Yours in the sport,
Michael J Beat
http://www.tipplers.com
@EFTipplers
Submitted by Manuel Fenton on 4/28/2012 3:34:16 PM