M J Beat / 03 Mar 2010 22:39

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You know, I've been reading this stuff for a long time. I've finally reached
what I feel is an understanding of all sides to the issue, but frankly, I
just don't think it is necessary to get all so upset on such things,
especially you Nino for we all know how deeply passionate you are on these
subjects. ;) Yet, allow me to concisely put forward my own opinion. You,
Nino, probably couldn't care any less of my opinion, but for the benefit of
others, here's what I believe.

Honestly, when we had this same big discussion with regards to the Pakistani
tipplers, we came to the conclusion that they were not the tipplers like
that which we have in the Western world. Why? because they flew to different
rules and they had been cultivated that way for many many decades. Thus,
they have competitions of 3 days length in which one bird flys solo for the
longest period, or something to that effect. Well, that's certainly not a
good comparison to our way of flying a kit of 3 or more in continuous
fashion. Their rules are far from the rules of organizations such as the NTU
of Great Britain. So I tried to make this distinction clear. I put together
FT in order to focus not on the pakistani tippler but another kind of
tippler.

When FT was formed, and to make this clear distinction, the home page
plainly stated that this discussion group was for the purpose of promoting a
"competiton" flying tippler that was flown to certain rules. If one does not
have access to the home page of the Yahoogroups discussion group at
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyingTipplers/ then I have it cut-pasted
right here between the double lines:

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FlyingTipplers is an e-mail list with private membership for those who are
interested in the breeding or flying of competition Flying Tipplers flown to
the rules of such clubs as the NTU of Great Britain, CNTU of Canada, FTS of
USA, DFU of Germany, etc.
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This statement is what defines this group.

Bear in mind the idea was the promotion of the "competition" flying tippler
(not show tippler, nor pakistani tippler). But of what competition? The
competition is the flying of the pigeons to the rules of the "English" /
"British" as opposed to the "Pakistani" rules.

I enjoyed very much Frank's attempt to clearly lay out the basic rules in a
simple language format. But unless we are following a show-bird standard,
the consistency of the eye, the shape of the head, or the overall "look" in
general (even if highly inbred or not) is quite irrelevant. My experience
with my own birds showed me that birds could be flown for teens of hours
even when one bird of the group is diametrically different in looks to the
others and they apparently don't'have to be of the same strain in order to
win the Long Day. Imagine that!

Ok, so inbreeding might help a person succeed in the desired goal or end
result. That's nice information but not a requirement. If another competitor
believed in only using outcrosses to somehow improve his birds, well then,
let him do it. But in the end he must prove himself in the air.

From what I have observed, however, there are several fantastic flyers as
yourself who are truly passionate and even perhaps locked into the
bloodlines of your beloved birds. OK, so be it. I have no problem with that.
That's how I felt about my own birds. Your birds are indeed beautiful birds.
I would love to have some of those beauties myself.

Submitted by M J Beat on 3/3/2010 10:33:13 PM